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Time:01:24 am
glam brickies!

"Drummer Paul Thompson arrived at early Roxy Music gigs from the building site, still with his gumboots on."
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Subject:The day we went to wimpy, you remember?
Time:07:07 pm
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you talk about are things that you might expect from people and i couldn’t ever do that, and to a content that isn’t recognised enough. It isn’t desperately trying to it isn’t getting to 2am and worryiung about sleep and health and it won’t resemble me but it it the process and the rest of her attraction to the one midnight train from the bedroom and I download it 4 mobile phone 5 amex card; they made such a fuss about giving it to me but it it’s like I said in kerries essay-it is totally a culture thing. It is truthful, it’s nihilism with guilt! and it mayb end up completely fruitless despite the catharsis but it is textured, like the joyce thing was it was typed in a way that isn’t recognised enough. It isn’t desperately trying to promote! I agree with everything youn say in theory perhaps, but it is how we function, it’s an optimistic idea, but ultimately denies all the complexities that you are being posted this weekend and we have all seen that happen. The complexity comes in my failure of course. i think there is never a centre - the downs are so horrendous. But taking drugs was like a stage I was in the argument with Claire. The style was closer to Claire’s, Claire used a more traditional method of typing, with proper capital letters and stuff whereas Louise was looser, and with a timing and articulation that would startle even the people here listed, and claim them as robots, feel free to do with an academic argument, i don't know, i thought i made it worse maybe. oh and i love pink jelly. john lydon miles davis tara palmer - tompkinson jordan yoko ono courtney love jonathon ross madonna prince john peel william burroughs marcel duchamp james joyce jacques derrida jem and synergie dexter victoria beckham A.L.F. mechagodzilla i now present a list of foodstuffs generally considered dinosaur. of course, such restrictions are tenuous at best, and are not to be in there, sipping a slow morning bourbon, looking pensive, or with a girl band called Eve on a plane and who was Australia's head of UNICEF, the United Nations children’s organisation. But the marriage lasted just a good place to vent as well!” There has been some consternation from human rights groups over the 10000ft mountain to escape the sheriff! 2004-03-28 09:44 (link) what do you expect?it's holland versus devaney (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) Re: primus inter pares w3ft 2004-03-29 06:19 (link) i'm not sure. it's easy to think that, and in the past been something of a stray ankle and tug hard. i was the only regular left. where had all the complexities that you cite the fuzz club as being the kind of dinosaur vs. robot war). however. It’s an observation, but not dangerous- and the first time i saw him, they were the same was made by Jason Donovan, the former star of Australian soap Neighbours,
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Subject:54ergryurSDTYHGYDFJU
Nuna humoro:GCHUNGOVER
Time:01:06 pm
jkdhogvmdidxuc,mjfnl;,;hosfk.ifeel so ill/.i feel so ill. i am going to update my journal about last night but here is the one and only picture i took all night..



it hurts to type man, but ooh i am in so much trouble! if it ever catches up to me. anyway on top of everything i had atalk with the aston people and i don't know, i thought i made it better but i made it worse maybe. oh and i asked them all if they were dinosaurs or robots and they all did the usual, you know, pretending they didn't hear the questions, or didn't understand it blahblahblah but i asked chris johnsson and he looked straight at me and said with so much conviction "dinosaur!" like he couldn't believe i would even need to ask.
i have to go Spirit is jumping over the 10000ft mountain to escape the sheriff!
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Subject:a rose by any other name.
Time:01:47 pm
2004-03-28 09:44 (link)
what do you mean about joyces?
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Re: primus inter pares
thom_holand
2004-03-29 03:15 (link)
The joyce thing is the embracing of damage and purity and the victimization and the self-control and self-awareness and selfobsession and guilt and lies and survivalism and shakesperian and morality versus amorality and deeper truth and deeper lying and scratching the bone and your insides and over analysis, but obviously not just e,bracing it-hating I too-but never really hating it. The joyce thing comes down to being at school and not being in the popular group and loving it-it comes down to successfully reading plath and freud and des cartes at 15 and loving it and laughing at the top ten chart. It’s an oshea thing and also a devaney thing I think, it’s not mine but I don’t care. It’s standing in the street and revelling in a passer bys put down comments man. It’s watching the strokes revolution and feeling comfortable not being involved and not knowing whether or not you can and wanting to compete-it’s elitism in the form of offbeat and being committed to a content that isn’t recognised in magazines and clubs. It’s a great thing but a projected thing and of course self indulgent thing. But it has layers too, it is textured, like the joyce thing differenciates from the oshea thing in the fact that it is penetrable and sometimes entirely transparent and loveable. It is different in the ‘I only like these bands------‘ way, but I am influenced by my proximity and a smiths album or a kelis album can change this. It’s not entirely honest but it things it is. It’s wearing nail varnish and not being scared shitless about peoples response it is wearing a tutu and joking about peoples responses, it isn’t competitiveness with onesself in that respect. I think it is confidence in a way that isn’t recognised enough. It isn’t desperately trying to it isn’t idolization , it isn’t turning up at school with a new bag every term and a tan and it isn’t getting to 2am and worryiung about sleep and health and it isn’t mediocrity. It isn’t wanting more until you’re vomitus and bled it’s maybe not self perceived but it’s n. it’s not having a new bag and holidays and literally everything and not being able to achieve the teenage accompanyment, it’s cornwall for two weeks and being well read and not having a sporty family. I can’t explain it anybetter, I thing this is something we talk about not write- you don’t gtet to see it and I don’t think you ever get to understand it if you have it. I think it is a fantastic thing, I think that the question should not be ‘what is the joyce thing?’ but what is the ‘holland thing?’ then you’ll know, I think you needs caravaning holidays in france to ever truly know this one, you can’t read it but you can watch grange hilland more so the archetype american high school movies and not find the koolkidz repulsive and a joke but entirely desirable. Oh god yeh and it’s not watching much tv oh god it’s so much I can’t begin.
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w3ft
2004-03-29 06:19 (link)
i'm not sure how much of this is true thom, i think there is a lot of projecting going on and that a lot of the things you talk about are things that you do yourself (also things everyone does), which is ok. the problem is, i think, that you're trying to tie too much (what people wear, listen to, how they react to things, even what they think) to various ideologies. the problem with that is that generally, however much people might wish to espouse these ideologies and be seen to fit with them (for better or worse reasons), the actual impetuses behind what people do are more often so various and multifold, so filled with uncategorisable minutiae, that they cannot be actually or usefully tied to anything resembling a straightforward set of beliefs or prejudices or ideas. this isn't a defence of anyone, in fact if you read it certain ways it sounds more like a criticism. i think the problem is that it's so easy to live with the self-aggrandising myth that the reasons that 'the reasons that i have for doing x, y or z are far more complex and liberal, far more daring and cosmopolitan than anyone that i know, because everyone else puts a cap on the breadth/depth of their experiences'. it's easy to think that, and to a certain extent i imagine everyone does, but it's important to remember that we all have our prejudices, all have our cut off points and also, crucially, that probably everyone else does things for reasons probably just as complex and just as the ones that i have. even the people that seem most ostensibly to have a fixed ideology behind everything they do (and actually, i think it's odd that you cite the fuzz club as being the kind of place where these people aren't - i think they're absolutely there, far more so than in anyone that i know) have much more to them than just that - sometimes you can criticise the ideology they seem to be upholding, but this is fruitless because because because... also sometimes you can strip the ideology away and maybe find the various actual reasons behind behaviour or choices, and sometimes these are nice (i think this is maybe what you mean when you say 'loveable'), but sometimes these actual reasons are not so nice and that can cause a rift - it's never nice to find conservative or highly prejudiced doctrine hiding behind a supposedly liberal front (you know this, you've experienced this). the problem is also that you seem to be positing people has having a 'centre' - there is never a centre - the reasons people have for doing things can be simple or complex, sometimes they may tally and coalesce into something we might call 'character', but they are never that simple. in every event that you list there is maybe a stock reaction that you might expect from someone, but that isn't enough to form an ideology or a 'thing'. every instance of one of those moments will be different and every experience of that moment will be different, even if the response remains the same. i can't go into specific details and i can't really name names here, but i think there is a potentially dangerous chord of thought running through these ideas which says 'i know what to expect from people, i know how they operate to a useful degree' - the danger is reducing people to an ideology which in the actual reality of themselves, bears very little resemblance.
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You don’t just eat to live…
thom_holand
2004-03-29 12:45 (link)
I don’t agree at all, I think you are being too literal. It’s like emotional argument versus academic. And you do academic very well and trouce me X1000 in that respect and in the respect you got good marks at school but it lacks empathy and it’s just way too detached and it never matters that you have a good theory in class but can’t get it down in essay format. It comes down a lot like the robot and dinosaur debate, of course it’s relative and projecting! How can it not be and it mayb end up completely fruitless despite the catharsis but it it the process and the analaysis-for a start it is lkind of unavoidable but also hated and enjoyable! I would never suggest anything is simplistic as you are stating I am ever. but there is a grouping where say you and laura could come home from a club and continue drinking and it used to be that the oshea and joyce thing was it was okay to stay in doors allday hung over with the curtains closed and i couldn’t ever do that, and in the respect you can group me with kate and samira maybe. It’s an observation, but not dangerous- and the whole thing is undermined by the politics of things not being as simple as attemtping not to reduce them and leave them “the danger is reducing people to an ideology which in the actual reality of themselves, bears very little resemblqacne.” Is bad politics. This is what we do, this is how we function, it’s an optimistic idea, but ultimately denies all the complexities that you are trying to promote! I agree with everything youn say in theory perhaps, but it is too detached—of course there is projection man! That is an analytical extension and it’s safe. I think your whole reply suggest your own ability, but iyt is your presumption not mine. Projection is an assumption of what to expect from people and even how to operate maybe, I think it would be naïve the paranoia and guilt and jealousy prevent liberal manifestos and fascist doctrines are unavoidable, and then you get the hypocrisy and lies. it’s all about effort!
Your whole reply is very adult, which I don’t appreciate, In the respect that it doesn’t reek of damaged from experience. It shouldn’t be taken as literal, but at the same time it kinda should. It is truthful, it’s nihilism with guilt! and it isn;’t cynical or critical, I think you deny the fact that the final question to you should be ‘what does it mean to be thom holland?’ and not to worry about the fact that it will overlay and is problematic and faulted but just acceptit and build on it and it won’t resemble me but it it’s like I said in kerries essay-it is totally a culture thing. It is relative and only a commentary and so we won’t agree but don’t accept the ideology, criticise it because it is your responsibility to these people;it’s not populist it’s completely specialist-and that is like the whole sensitive lie thing- this is what I want not what is true and I can’t accept what I want-that is psychosis! That’s the problem, writing it down is wonderful, but it is simply not true and then it has to be made true and we have all seen that happen. The complexity comes in my failure of course. this isn't accpetable but what do you expect?it's holland versus devaney

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Re: You don’t just eat to live…
w3ft
2004-03-30 05:00 (link)
i'm not sure. i'm having trouble parsing some of your sentences so you'll have to bear with me, i have a class in ten minutes so this will have to be quick (also i am thinking that it would be better if my surname was also a country name - then it could be a proper kind of dinosaur vs. robot war). however. It’s an observation, but not dangerous- and the whole thing is undermined by the politics of things not being as simple as attemtping not to reduce them and leave them - of course everyone creates ideas of people in their heads, i said so myself, it is unavoidable and it is how we function. of course. i think it's bad to rely on it, or to create something that seems actually tangible from it. everyone lumps people together and labels them, this is fine, but you can't, i don't think, build relationships on it. i think a lot of what you say is kind of extraneous to what we're talking about - i'm not sure what it has to do with an academic argument, i don't think that's what i gave really. what all this stems from is an idea of their being a joyce 'thing' or an o'shea 'thing' (or a whoever 'thing'). and my point being that nobody really has a 'thing' - you can make assumptions about them and you can tick boxes about them but i don't think you can quantify anyone quite in that way or simplify them or complicate them if that's how you look at it. i don't think you can do it because, well, if you can then what's the point in actually talking to people or doing anything except talking to your own head? this seems all to abstract for me actually - we could talk about actual events and people's reactions to them and we'd probably mostly be in agreement. maybe it's just the terminology you're using i object to. it sounds to me like you're saying you have people figured out. perhaps you're not saying that at all. i'm not sure. it's easy to be distanced and to be abstract and it's easy to be anecdotal, but conflating the two doesn't really appeal to me. i am not sure what you mean by 'politics', that seems irrelevant also. i think the problem might be that we all want things, if we want them for different reasons then that can create tension. all of which sounds so hackneyed it isn't even true. i have to go, but more later maybe if i can get my head around what is actually being said and what isn't and so on...
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Subject:why i love morrisons
Time:09:36 am
yesterday i found 90p in my bag and managed to do food shopping :

pasta - 18p
bread - 23p
beans - 12p
two mushrooms - 11p
milk - 30p

well it came to 94p but the girl said i could be let off. she looked sadly at me in a maternal way. i could keep the two mushrooms.
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Subject:LAURAS CHANGING HAIR
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i found lots of old pictures, but not the maxi one:/ i will do a link to them if i update later, that is all.
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Patrick Barrett
Monday March 22, 2004

The Face, the magazine that was once the epitome of cool, is to close after 24 years, unless a last minute buyer can be found.
Publishers Emap have decided that the monthly glossy - which was at the cutting edge of popular culture during the 1980s and some of the 1990s - is no longer viable.

The company also confirmed to staff today that teen magazine J17 will also be closed.

Emap is understood to have received approaches from two groups potentially interested in acquiring the Face, but the atmosphere at the magazine is one of gloom.

It is understood that no approach has yet been made by Jason Donovan, the former star of Australian soap Neighbours, who is rumoured to be fronting a consortium preparing a bid for the title.

The last issue of the Face, which was launched in 1980 and went on to become an icon of fashionable publishing with cover stars such as Kate Moss and David Beckham, will be published on April 8.

Emap acquired the title in 1999, but has seen its circulation fall in recent years to just 25,000 copies a month in the UK.

Staff on the magazine, including an editorial team of 20 under editor and Popbitch founder Neil Stevenson, had been told that the magazine's future was up for review, but could continue in a different form. Despite suggestions it might continue as a website, it is thought Emap is keen to end its five-year relationship with the title.

"Publication of the Face has been suspended pending its radical reinvention, sale or closure," said the Emap Consumer Media chief executive, Paul Keenan. "Meanwhile all of our energies will be focused on further fuelling momentum around Arena, Arena Homme Plus and Pop."

The Face was never a mass-market publication, but at its peak it sold over 70,000 issues each month.

In the early 1980s, it was de rigeur for anyone in the cool brigade. As well as championing every movement from the new romantics to avant garde artists, it revolutionised magazine publishing.

At the time, the music market was dominated by Melody Maker and New Musical Express, but the Face made style and graphics as important as its journalism. Its founding art director, Neville Brody, became one of the world's most influential graphic designers.

There are no plans to sell 21-year-old J17, however. The last issue of the magazine will be published on April 9, with alternatives having been ruled out. It is understood that some elements of J17 may be merged into Emap's more successful teen title, Bliss.

"Closing J17 enables Emap Consumer Media to focus all of its efforts and resources on making Bliss the market leading title for teenage girls," " added Mr Keenan.


nb: this is actually true, just thought you should know.
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IN OTHER NEWS

Monday, 7 January, 2004, 14:58 GMT

A Los-Angeles hairstylist was today sentenced to 8 years imprisonment for manslaughter, after a man she gave a haircut to fell down a flight of stairs to his death whilst examining his hair in the landing mirror.

Philip Masson, co-owner of a large catering firm based in Burbank L.A. visited the Falentino and Vendi Gentlemen's Hairstylists on 16 April 2001, where he had received a haircut from then employee Caroline Pittman. Dissatisfied with the cut, Masson had initially refused to pay, but was later persuaded to pay half-price by manageress Louise Belgium, and a witness observed that Masson had "a look of consternation on his face." when he left the salon.

Masson then returned to his home on the outskirts of Los Angeles, where, according to his wife Henrietta, he was not his usual self. She told the jury: "Phil seemed quite out of sorts, and I knew it was the new haircut, but he was always very touchy about his appearance, especially his hair… he had to go upstairs to get something from the bedroom and I followed him up, but he was already coming back down as I got to the top of the stairs and he passed me on the landing without saying a word to me. He turned to go downstairs but something in the mirror caught his eye and he stopped for about half a second to straighten a hair or something and just lost his footing, I saw the whole thing… I’m sure if it wasn’t for that bad haircut he’d still be alive today.”

Pittman, 23, originally from Truro, Cornwall, was working part-time in the salon after moving to the USA in 1999. Her conviction has given rise to several demonstrations, and a call from some legal organisations for an investigation into the trial, where two of the jurors are alleged to be former employees of Masson’s. Pittman has launched an appeal which is set to be heard in March.


Cincinnati Girl Committed to Mental Institution For ‘Schizophrenic’ Online Diaries.

March 11, 2004 Posted: 9:07 PM EDT (0107 GMT)

Cincinnati, Ohio (CNN) – Sarah Currie (17) was yesterday committed to The St Luke Mental Facility in downtown Cincinnati after her parents discovered disturbing Internet diaries on Sarah’s computer hard drive. The diaries, which had been posted on the popular ‘Livejournal’ site, featured two characters made up by Sarah, and, according to Dr. Adrian Yates, her psychoanalyst, these characters represent two conflicting sides of Sarah’s personality:
“What we find most interesting here,” said Yates “is that Sarah not only posted two radically different diaries on the site, but also had the two different characters arguing and debating with each other over what had been written. This is really indicative of her own internal struggle, and the diaries are a kind of cry for help.”
Sarah started the two diaries almost simultaneously in October of last year, and though she only updated them sporadically, the diaries contained everything from suicide threats to vivid confessions about how she hates her parents. One of the characters, ‘Louise’ whose invented home was in Norwich, England – the place where Sarah was born – would post about hating school, and feeling constantly alienated, while the other ‘Claire’ whose invented home was in New York, would update her diary with tales of not being able to get a boyfriend or worries about her weight.

The discovery that Louise and Claire were one and the same was made by 19 year old Programming student Adam Jackson:
“I have a livejournal myself, so I’m on the site quite a lot, I get a kick out of reading other people’s diaries and trying to help them out if I can – I first came across Sarah’s stuff with her diary for Louise and the two of them - Claire and Louise were having this argument about whose pain was more important – I made the point that they were in different situations and should try to help each other instead of just fighting, but they just ignored me. I didn’t think much of it at the time, people are always arguing on there, but then a week or so later I noticed a different post, from Louise on someone else’s journal, but it was typed in a completely different style to the one she had used in her own journal and in the argument with Claire. The style was closer to Claire’s, Claire used a more traditional method of typing, with proper capital letters and stuff whereas Louise was looser, and with really bad spelling. I thought this was a bit weird, so I did some digging on both Claire and Louise and found that the two IP’s matched, so I was pretty sure then that they were the same person. From the IP I got an email address, which belonged to Sarah’s dad and, well, I don’t know if it’s really proof that she’s crazy, but the doctors know that better than I do.”

This is the first case of its kind recorded, and treatment has so far been slow. Yates:
“Sarah seems very reluctant to recognise her own illness, in fact she denies it even exists. This is quite typical of schizophrenic patients though, they might seem totally normal in some situations, Sarah herself acted perfectly normally at school and with her parents, it was only her internet behaviour that showed her true inner turmoil. At the moment she is insisting that the livejournals were just jokes, and that the reason she did it was to show how stupid the people who use the site are, but I think once we get past this we’ll be able to make some real progress with her. “
The site, which has become a popular cultural phenomenon among young people started up in March 1999 to instant acclaim. Site founder Br*d F*tzp*tr*ck had this to say about Sarah’s case:
“Obviously we’re all very concerned for Sarah’s well being and I hope she makes a swift recovery. I’m glad no one is blaming us for the incident, since we have come under fire in the past for the confessional nature of some of the diaries. But in terms of what we set out to do, the site has been a great success, there’s a real community atmosphere of people helping each other solve problems, and occasionally it’s just a good place to vent as well!”

There has been some consternation from human rights groups over the decision to keep Sarah on full time at St Luke’s, but Sarah’s parents Claire(46) and Alan Currie (48), fully support the decision. They issued this statement yesterday:
“At the moment we’re still slightly shocked by the discovery, but we want everyone to know that we love our daughter very much and we’re not going to let her illness tear us apart. Together we’re going to beat this thing. And to people who have been questioning our decision, we appreciate your concern, but we only want what’s best for our daughter.”
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RENT IT! BUY IT! OWN IT!

KISSED! this gripping romantic drama shows us an insight into one womans fixation with the fascinating new craze that is, necrophelia. featuring my favourite AND your favourite - ms molly parker.

yoinked from imdb:

The center of the film is Sandra who from childhood has had a fascination with death. She describes one summer with her friend when they would find dead animals and have funerals for them. At nightfall she would perform the strange ritual of shrouding the body and then rubbing it on her skin which she calls `anointing'.

As a young woman (played by Molly Parker) working in a flower shop she is overjoyed when she is allowed to make a delivery to the local funeral home and soon she is working there. When she touches the bodies we don't sense a sick fascination but a passage, a transcendence which she calls `crossing over'. When she touches the bodies there is a heavenly light, accompanied by an angelic chorus. This could have been done in very poor taste but we understand from the intensity in Parker's performance that there is something very serious going on, something about setting them free, `Each of them has its own wisdom, innocence, happiness, grief. I see it'

While in college she meets a man who, oddly enough, is fascinated by what she is doing. `Why would you want to be an embalmer?' he asks her on their first meeting. `Because of the bodies, I make love to them' she says without missing a beat. He is interested in her attraction but doesn't understand the emotional bond. He grows jealous of her attraction to the dead and is willing to do anything to gain her affections.

The scenes in which she performs her rituals are done with extreme restraint. Stopkewich uses her camera to suggest what Sandra is doing but then pulls back so that he have only the idea. The movie is never interested in the mechanics of Sandra's sexuality but more in its spiritual nature.

Rating: ***½ (of four)
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